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Nintendo Cup 97 Top 15 Teams Jul 23, 2020 11:24:54 GMT Artemis likes this

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Post by beelzemon on Jul 23, 2020 11:24:54 GMT

Hi chums, this is Beelzemon 2003. In this thread I posted the teams that were used by the finalists of the original Nintendo Cup 97 which took place on November 23rd 1997. The interesting thing here is that I edited the movesets to make the teams more competitive according to today's standards.

It would be pretentious from my part to say that these teams can't be improved anymore so I ask you to give them a look and tell me which changes you would implement to make them even better.

Before you begin, you have to take into account five simple rules:

1. The teams are meant to be used with Japanese Colosseum 1 mechanics.

2. You can't change any of the pokémon that are on the teams.

3. Tradeback Moves are banned.

4. You can't change the nicknames of the pokémon unless you have a good reason (e.g. changing Jynx's international nickname for her Japanese one).

5. If a team really can't be improved anymore, leave it the way it is.

As long as you respect those rules, you can make any change that you want (unless you make crazy changes like giving Teleport to Alakazam). Without further ado, here are the teams:

Teams of the players that finished on 9th place

Hiro Hayashiyasu

Edited by: Beelzemon 2003

Alakazam
Ability: None
Level: 52
- Psychic
- Seismic Toss
- Thunder Wave
- Recover

Exeggutor
Ability: None
Level: 51
- Mega Drain
- Psychic
- Explosion
- Sleep Powder

Starmie
Ability: None
Level: 51
- Psychic
- Blizzard
- Thunderbolt
- Recover

Tauros
Ability: None
Level: 51
- Body Slam
- Blizzard
- Earthquake
- Hyper Beam

Lapras
Ability: None
Level: 51
- Surf
- Blizzard
- Thunderbolt
- Body Slam

Jolteon
Ability: None
Level: 52
- Thunderbolt
- Body Slam
- Double Kick
- Thunder Wave

Imai Daisuke

Edited by: Beelzemon 2003

Dugtrio
Ability: None
Level: 50
- Earthquake
- Rock Slide
- Slash
- Substitute

Gengar
Ability: None
Level: 50
- Thunderbolt
- Psychic
- Explosion
- Hypnosis

Chansey
Ability: None
Level: 50
- Blizzard
- Thunderbolt
- Minimize
- Soft-Boiled

Lapras
Ability: None
Level: 50
- Surf
- Blizzard
- Thunderbolt
- Psychic

Jolteon
Ability: None
Level: 50
- Thunderbolt
- Double Kick
- Pin Missile
- Thunder Wave

Dragonite
Ability: None
Level: 55
- Blizzard
- Surf
- Thunderbolt
- Body Slam

Katou Kazuhito

Edited by: Beelzemon 2003

Dugtrio
Ability: none
Level: 51
- Earthquake
- Rock Slide
- Slash
- Double Team

Alakazam
Ability: none
Level: 52
- Psychic
- Reflect
- Thunder Wave
- Recover

Starmie
Ability: none
Level: 51
- Surf
- Blizzard
- Thunderbolt
- Recover

Tauros
Ability: none
Level: 51
- Body Slam
- Earthquake
- Blizzard
- Hyper Beam

Lapras
Ability: none
Level: 51
- Surf
- Blizzard
- Thunderbolt
- Confuse Ray

Jolteon
Ability: none
Level: 52
- Thunderbolt
- Body Slam
- Double Kick
- Thunder Wave

Kitagawa Yasunori

Edited by: Beelzemon 2003

Alakazam
Ability: None
Level: 52
- Psychic
- Seismic Toss
- Thunder Wave
- Recover

Gengar
Ability: None
Level: 51
- Thunderbolt
- Psychic
- Explosion
- Hypnosis

Starmie
Ability: None
Level: 51
- Surf
- Psychic
- Minimize
- Recover

Tauros
Ability: None
Level: 51
- Body Slam
- Blizzard
- Earthquake
- Double Team

Jolteon
Ability: None
Level: 52
- Thunderbolt
- Double Kick
- Pin Missile
- Thunder Wave

Articuno
Ability: None
Level: 51
- Blizzard
- Ice Beam
- Fly
- Hyper Beam

Nishimura Shun

Edited by: Beelzemon 2003

Golem
Ability: None
Level: 51
- Rock Slide
- Earthquake
- Body Slam
- Explosion

Starmie
Ability: None
Level: 52
- Surf
- Psychic
- Blizzard
- Recover

Tauros
Ability: None
Level: 51
- Body Slam
- Blizzard
- Earthquake
- Hyper Beam

Lapras
Ability: None
Level: 51
- Surf
- Blizzard
- Sing
- Rest

Jolteon
Ability: None
Level: 52
- Thunderbolt
- Body Slam
- Double Kick
- Thunder Wave

Articuno
Ability: None
Level: 51
- Blizzard
- Fly
- Hyper Beam
- Rest

Yamadataka Hisa

Edited by: Beelzemon 2003

Venusaur
Ability: None
Level: 51
- Razor Leaf
- Body Slam
- Leech Seed
- Sleep Powder

Chansey
Ability: None
Level: 51
- Blizzard
- Thunderbolt
- Thunder Wave
- Soft-Boiled

LOLA (Jynx)
Ability: None
Level: 51
- Blizzard
- Psychic
- Lovely Kiss
- Rest

Tauros
Ability: None
Level: 52
- Body Slam
- Blizzard
- Earthquake
- Hyper Beam

Gyarados
Ability: None
Level: 51
- Surf
- Blizzard
- Thunderbolt
- Hyper Beam

Jolteon
Ability: None
Level: 52
- Thunderbolt
- Double Kick
- Pin Missile
- Thunder Wave

Yuwamasa Kenji

Edited by: Beelzemon 2003

Alakazam
Ability: None
Level: 52
- Psychic
- Seismic Toss
- Thunder Wave
- Recover

Magneton
Ability: None
Level: 51
- Thunderbolt
- Double-Edge
- Double Team
- Rest

Tauros
Ability: None
Level: 51
- Body Slam
- Blizzard
- Earthquake
- Hyper Beam

Lapras
Ability: None
Level: 51
- Surf
- Blizzard
- Sing
- Rest

Vaporeon
Ability: None
Level: 51
- Surf
- Blizzard
- Body Slam
- Haze

Jolteon
Ability: None
Level: 52
- Thunderbolt
- Double Kick
- Pin Missile
- Thunder Wave

Teams of the players that finished on 5th place

Fuji Tamika

Edited by: Beelzemon 2003

Dugtrio
Ability: none
Level: 52
- Earthquake
- Rock Slide
- Slash
- Substitute

Starmie
Ability: none
Level: 51
- Blizzard
- Thunderbolt
- Thunder Wave
- Recover

Tauros
Ability: none
Level: 51
- Body Slam
- Blizzard
- Earthquake
- Hyper Beam

Lapras
Ability: none
Level: 51
- Surf
- Blizzard
- Sing
- Rest

Jolteon
Ability: none
Level: 52
- Thunderbolt
- Body Slam
- Double Kick
- Thunder Wave

Articuno
Ability: none
Level: 51
- Blizzard
- Fly
- Hyper Beam
- Rest

Hiro Fuchiwakiaki

Edited by: Beelzemon 2003

Alakazam
Ability: none
Level: 52
- Psychic
- Seismic Toss
- Thunder Wave
- Recover

Chansey
Ability: none
Level: 51
- Blizzard
- Thunderbolt
- Minimize
- Soft-Boiled

Starmie
Ability: none
Level: 51
- Blizzard
- Thunderbolt
- Minimize
- Recover

LOLA (Jynx)
Ability: none
Level: 51
- Blizzard
- Psychic
- Seismic Toss
- Lovely Kiss

Tauros
Ability: none
Level: 51
- Body Slam
- Blizzard
- Earthquake
- Hyper Beam

Jolteon
Ability: none
Level: 52
- Thunderbolt
- Double Kick
- Pin Missile
- Thunder Wave

Takahashi Jun

Edited by: Beelzemon 2003

Notes: The Tauros of this team has an interesting moveset that has been used by the Editor to win some Gen I OU tournaments, many Gen I OU Ladder matches and some Nintendo Cup 97 friendly matches, for those reasons it is advised to keep that set intact.

Alakazam
Ability: none
Level: 52
- Psychic
- Seismic Toss
- Thunder Wave
- Recover

Starmie
Ability: none
Level: 51
- Surf
- Psychic
- Blizzard
- Recover

LOLA (Jynx)
Ability: none
Level: 51
- Blizzard
- Psychic
- Seismic Toss
- Lovely Kiss

Tauros
Ability: none
Level: 51
- Body Slam
- Blizzard
- Earthquake
- Thunderbolt

Jolteon
Ability: none
Level: 52
- Thunderbolt
- Body Slam
- Double Kick
- Thunder Wave

Articuno
Ability: none
Level: 51
- Blizzard
- Fly
- Double Team
- Rest

Tomitaisei Yoshi

Edited by: Beelzemon 2003

Alakazam
Ability: none
Level: 52
- Psychic
- Seismic Toss
- Thunder Wave
- Recover

Hypno
Ability: none
Level: 51
- Psychic
- Seismic Toss
- Hypnosis
- Rest

Starmie
Ability: none
Level: 52
- Blizzard
- Thunderbolt
- Thunder Wave
- Recover

Tauros
Ability: none
Level: 51
- Body Slam
- Blizzard
- Earthquake
- Hyper Beam

Articuno
Ability: none
Level: 51
- Blizzard
- Fly
- Double Team
- Rest

Zapdos
Ability: none
Level: 51
- Thunderbolt
- Drill Peck
- Double-Edge
- Thunder Wave

Teams of the players that finished on 3rd place

Suzuki Yusuke

Edited by: Beelzemon 2003

Alakazam
Ability: None
Level: 52
- Psychic
- Seismic Toss
- Thunder Wave
- Recover

Exeggutor
Ability: None
Level: 51
- Mega Drain
- Psychic
- Explosion
- Sleep Powder

Chansey
Ability: None
Level: 51
- Blizzard
- Thunderbolt
- Thunder Wave
- Soft-Boiled

Starmie
Ability: None
Level: 51
- Blizzard
- Thunderbolt
- Double Team
- Recover

Tauros
Ability: None
Level: 51
- Body Slam
- Blizzard
- Earthquake
- Hyper Beam

Jolteon
Ability: None
Level: 52
- Thunderbolt
- Double Kick
- Pin Missile
- Thunder Wave

Yukijo Jiro
Edited by: Beelzemon 2003

Alakazam
Ability: None
Level: 52
- Psychic
- Seismic Toss
- Thunder Wave
- Recover

Gengar
Ability: None
Level: 51
- Thunderbolt
- Psychic
- Night Shade
- Explosion

Exeggutor
Ability: None
Level: 51
- Mega Drain
- Psychic
- Explosion
- Sleep Powder

Starmie
Ability: None
Level: 51
- Psychic
- Blizzard
- Thunderbolt
- Recover

LOLA (Jynx)
Ability: None
Level: 51
- Blizzard
- Psychic
- Lovely Kiss
- Rest

Jolteon
Ability: None
Level: 52
- Thunderbolt
- Body Slam
- Double Kick
- Thunder Wave

Runner-up's Team

Hiroki Yoshii

Edited by: Beelzemon 2003

Hypno
Ability: None
Level: 51
- Psychic
- Seismic Toss
- Thunder Wave
- Rest

Exeggutor
Ability: None
Level: 51
- Mega Drain
- Psychic
- Explosion
- Sleep Powder

Starmie
Ability: None
Level: 52
- Blizzard
- Thunderbolt
- Thunder Wave
- Recover

Tauros
Ability: None
Level: 51
- Body Slam
- Blizzard
- Earthquake
- Hyper Beam

Ditto
Ability: None
Level: 51
- Transform

Jolteon
Ability: None
Level: 52
- Thunderbolt
- Double Kick
- Pin Missile
- Thunder Wave

Champion's Team

Miyasawa Toru

Edited by: Beelzemon 2003

DORIS (Electrode)
Ability: none
Level: 52
- Thunderbolt
- Swift
- Explosion
- Thunder Wave

Kangaskhan
Ability: none
Level: 51
- Body Slam
- Earthquake
- Surf
- Rock Slide

Starmie
Ability: none
Level: 52
- Blizzard
- Thunderbolt
- Thunder Wave
- Recover

LOLA (Jynx)
Ability: none
Level: 51
- Blizzard
- Psychic
- Seismic Toss
- Lovely Kiss

Tauros
Ability: none
Level: 51
- Body Slam
- Blizzard
- Earthquake
- Hyper Beam

Articuno
Ability: none
Level: 51
- Blizzard
- Fly
- Double Team
- Rest

Last Edit: Jul 23, 2020 11:58:11 GMT by beelzemon

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Nintendo Cup 97 Top 15 Teams Jul 23, 2020 16:02:20 GMT

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Post by Plague von Karma on Jul 23, 2020 16:02:20 GMT

Amazing start, a lot of these are really nice. There are some edits I'd like to propose, though.

The Starmies
As a general rule of thumb, Surf isn't that great on Starmie here. It OHKOs Rhydon and Golem, but doesn't provide coverage that Psychic+Blizz doesn't already. It'll hit Alakazam harder, I guess, but since it'll just Recover, why not try to OHKO with Blizz freeze? This applies to a lot of your Starmie sets; imo, replace with Thunder Wave or Minimize. 3 Attack Starmie, if ever used, should be Psychic+Blizz+TBolt. This isn't bad in the format (unlike in Gen 1 OU/1U) due to the speed of the format. Generally your games will be ending much quicker, so it gives Starmie much more room for variety. Play around with em and see what drops! Your Starmies on Hiro Fuchiwakiaki and Yukijo Jiro's teams were excellent, look at those and go from there.

The Alakazams
These have...issues. It seems you copypasted the same sets or something, as they're almost all the same. Seismic Toss unfortunately doesn't do much unless you're L55, in which you deal 110 Damage in 2 turns, which is respectable. Unlike in OU/1U, SToss and NShade just don't do enough damage to matter in such a fast-paced format. You also tend to give it levels it doesn't need, with other Pokemon needing them much more. L51 Alakazam is fine; invest more into your Tauros and other big threats.

For every Seismic Toss, replace it with one of:
- Reflect
- Counter
- Mimic?

Hiro Hayashiyasu
Lapras - I think the set here is a bit iffy. Surf is kind of unnecessary, as the rocks aren't that common and it'll usually deal more damage with Blizzard overall. You could give it Rest or Confuse Ray, possibly?

Imai Daisuke
Lapras - Similar criticisms to the one on Hiro's team, only it should also be L55. The team's purpose is to make the best use of Dragonite, but as someone who's used it a few times, it's very often that you find yourself unable to use it. Lapras is a commonly used L55 for its ability to take 2 Tauros Hyper Beams on its own, and it would give this team a very strong backbone against it. It just doesn't die.

Otherwise I'd say this one is really well-made, I like the sets on the rest, it's just Lapras.

Kitagawa Yasunori
Imo, you could make this team a L50-50-55 comp. L55 Articuno and L55 Tauros would give the team a much higher threat level, and the other Pokemon are fast enough to make it work. In which, use this Articuno set:

Articuno

Level: 55
- Blizzard

- Ice Beam

- Double-Edge

- Agility

L55 Articuno is the best way to use it viably. Blizzard shreds most of the format, landing 2HKOs on virtually any L50 threat. 30% Frz makes it an even bigger threat, often forcing Lapras or Jynx in to avoid it. Ice Beam serves as secondary STAB; I calc'd BubbleBeam and it does less to Golem than Blizzard does, so its only purpose would be PP conservation...in a 3v3 game. Double-Edge 2HKOs L50 Jynx, which means it can't switch in. Agility is the main call to action, allowing it to set up while forcing something out; this makes the Jynx matchup much better since it can potentially avoid sleep.

BubbleBeam VS Blizzard calcs to show the thought process, both KOs but bleh, just feels unnecessary. It doesn't even deal more to Flareon, it's that mediocre...

Lvl 55 Articuno Blizzard vs. Lvl 50 Golem: 270-318 (145.1 - 170.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Lvl 55 Articuno Bubble Beam vs. Lvl 50 Golem: 197-232 (105.9 - 124.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Nishimura Shun
Lapras - Thunderbolt > Surf, same criticism as the Starmies. You need to win against Starmie and Articuno.
Jolteon - Drop the Level by 1, give that to Articuno. Jolteon is already stupid fast and speedcreeping L50, Articuno needs all it can get.
Articuno - Change set to: Blizzard/Ice Beam/Reflect/Double Team. You could go for Fly over Reflect. Generally, if you're not using L55 Articuno, you should aim to go for longevity. It's a very degen mon.

Yamadataka Hisa
Venusaur - Swords Dance > Leech Seed. Leech Seed is baaaaad in this format, it's gonna take heaps from Blizzard with little to compensate for it. This'll help it deal more damage with Body Slam which can at least allow Jynx to not switch in easily.
Gyarados - Body Slam > Surf. Like the Starmie sets, Surf doesn't have that big of a purpose here outside of STAB. Blizzard provides superior type coverage, has high base power and serves as a potential OHKO move if it "misses", it kind of just outclasses it. Gyarados really wants to have a reliable way to make use of its physical Attack here, plus the paralysis can make it far easier to get the Hyper Beam off next turn.

Yuwamasa Kenji
Magneton - Remove Double-Edge for Supersonic or Mimic. Against Jynx, who I'm assuming is the main target, Thunderbolt still deals more damage;
Lvl 51 Magneton Thunderbolt vs. Lvl 50 Jynx: 64-76 (37.4 - 44.4%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

Lvl 51 Magneton Double-Edge vs. Lvl 50 Jynx: 50-59 (29.2 - 34.5%) -- 3.7% chance to 3HKO

I really like the Vaporeon set here btw, that could be used as a sample on the dex.

Fuji Tamika
Dugtrio - Fissure > Substitute. I really think it should be here for KOing Chansey and other bulky threats. This team has a glaring weakness to Electric too, so coming in and threatening with this would be the main play. Also, drop the Level by 1 to give it to Articuno. Dugtrio outspeeds everything on its own and Articuno needs all it can get. You want Articuno to be the ace.
Articuno - Double-Edge > Fly. The set you're using here appears to want to play longer; Rest -> Fly would be a massive momentum sink that I don't think this team can afford.

Hiro Fuchiwakiaki
Jynx - Double Team > Seismic Toss. Once Jynx sleeps something it should do this or Blizzard on the switch-out. Seismic Toss hits pretty much nothing in the context of Jynx; anything that Blizzard hits, even if resisted, risks freezing the opponent if they're not Ice-type.

Takahashi Jun
While I agree Thunderbolt Tauros is an interesting choice, citing Gen 1 OU as if it's remotely similar to this format is something I'd avoid. I'm in agreement for keeping it, but keep this in mind: this format is extremely different. The main purpose behind BlizzBolt Tauros is beating Cloyster (who's not often used here), last I checked, but it also deals more damage to Articuno and Starmie, albeit with a negligible difference.

I did do an improvement attempt on this team myself, taking an L55-50-50 comp approach. Feel free to check this and see if you think it's better.

Jynx - Double Team, Mimic or Rest > Seismic Toss. As I mentioned with Jynx before, SToss is redundant.
Articuno - Double-Edge > Fly, you need to beat Jynx. Take a level from the Alakazam here too.

Tomitaisei Yoshi
For Zapdos to have any kind of niche in the format, I strongly recommend making this an L55-50-50 comp. It really needs Agility. I'll be progressing with this in mind. Use this set:

Zapdos
Level: 55
- Thunderbolt
- Drill Peck
- Thunder Wave
- Agility

I also recommend using the Articuno from before alongside it;
Articuno

Level: 55

- Blizzard

- Ice Beam

- Double-Edge

- Agility

Hypno - Counter > Seismic Toss as well, it lives Hyper Beam from L55 Tauros pretty well, even at L50, which is a testament to its potential.
Hypno VS Tauros Calc:
Lvl 55 Tauros Hyper Beam vs. Lvl 50 Hypno: 127-150 (66.4 - 78.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Suzuki Yusuke
Exeggutor - Stun Spore or Double-Edge > Mega Drain. Mega Drain's only real use here is hitting Lapras and it isn't even a 4HKO on L55, which is standard for its ability to take 2 Tauros Hyper Beams. Double-Edge can beat Jynx, while Stun Spore provides better support.
Starmie - Minimize > Double Team. More PP, same effect. Straight upgrade.
Jolteon - Drop a level, give it to Starmie or Chansey.

Yukijo Jiro
Gengar - Mega Drain or Hypnosis > Night Shade. Not much reason to use it here, I'm afraid. Take a level from Alakazam and put it here.
Exeggutor - Stun Spore or Double-Edge > Mega Drain, same as the Suzuki Yusuke critique.

Hiroki Yoshii

Hypno - Counter > Seismic Toss, beats Tauros more effectively.
Exeggutor - See the prior critiques.

Miyasawa Toru
You absolutely should not take away the L55-50-50 comp on this. The purpose of the composition was 3v3 teambuilding, interchanging between Kangaskhan and Tauros. If Articuno was seen in Team Preview, Toru would change to Kangaskhan for its better matchup. Change this back, it's a genuinely decent team core and removing this really hurts it overall. At that point Kangaskhan just loses her niche on the team, it doesn't even have the proper level investment for a balance level comp.

Electrode - Double Team > Swift. Swift is awful in JP Cart, it only has the guaranteed hit on Substitutes due to a glitch. May as well use this for filler instead.
Jynx - As mentioned before, Double Team, Rest or Mimic > Seismic Toss.
Articuno - Double-Edge > Fly like the others

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Overall, good work. Many of the modernized sets were good, they just needed a move switch or two. Feel free to contact me with any queries.

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Nintendo Cup 97 Top 15 Teams

Post by beelzemon on Jul 23, 2020 11:24:54 GMT

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